Here’s a clip of me speaking with the great Scott Horton of Antiwar radio on March 5, 2009.  Scott and I are discussing the inevitable end of the American empire, and how it will play out.  I brought up systems theory but don’t do a great job of elaborating on it here.

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This clip is (13:17)